#69806: "Allow player to choose order of end-of-round effects"
Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Gwiriit mar-plij ma n'eus ket dija un danevell evit an hevelep dodenn
M'oc'h a-du, VOTIT evit an danevell-mañ. An danevelloù gant ar muiañ a vouezhioù a vo studiet DA GENTAÑ !
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Deskrivadur dre ar munud
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit ar gemennadenn fazi a zo war ho skramm, ma zo unan.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Displegit deomp, mar-plij, ar pezh ho poa c'hoant d'ober, ar pezh ho peus graet hag ar pezh a zo c'hoarvezet 'benn ar fin
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Petra oa diskouezet war ar skramm pa 'z oc'h chomet stanket (Skramm goullo ? Ul lodenn eus etrefas ar c'hoari ? Kemennadenn fazi ?)
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Pesseurt reolenn n'eo ket doujet gant azasadenn ar c'hoari-mañ ?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Ha posupl eo gwelet torridigezh ar reolenn e replay ar bartienn ? Ma 'z eo ya, da be niverenn taol ?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Peseurt taol ho peus c'hoant c'hoari ?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Petra emaoc'h o klask ober evit delankañ an ober c'hoari-mañ ?
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• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Da be bazenn ar bartienn eo en em gavet ar gudenn (petra oa testenn kemenn ar c'hoari) ?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Mar-plij, diskrivit kudenn an diskwel. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
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• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
Roll-istor an danevelloù bog
Still, you can never have a hard-coded order which will work for all cases, there will always be corner cases, for example:
- A player may want to have fewer crystals (so intentionally triggering Wondrous Chest at 3 energies, before Heart of Argos or after Fairy Monolith) to kill an opponent Titus.
- A player may want to activate Horn of Plenty without energies in their reserve (before using Beggar's Horn or Heart of Argos) to have more energies the next turn
- For the two random effects Dial of Colof and Carnivora Strombosea, the player may decide one based on the outcome of the other
So ideally the player should be able to choose explicitly in which order effects happen.
Unfortunately, a naive implementation would slow down the game (especially turn-based games) if automatic effects such as Wondrous Chest or Titus Deepgaze would no longer be automatic. So the game should still do these automatic effects without player interaction if the order doesn't matter (determining whether the order matters may be non-trivial)
- Dial of Colof
- Damned Soul of Onys
- Ethiel's Fountain
- Carnivora Strombosea
- Beggar's Horn
- Heart of Argos
- Titus Deepgaze
- Wondrous Chest
- Mesodae’s Lantern
- Io's transmuter
- Fairy Monolith
- Chalice of eternity
- Horn of Plenty
but where we will restart the list whenever an effect actually triggers. So the fact that Horn of Plenty is last in thi list doesn't mean that no further effects are possible: whenever Horn of Plenty triggers, then we'll recheck the list from the beginning.
The general principle remains that the player retains the choice between performing these actions manually or performing them automatically. Seasons is a notable exception because it seems to me that this is one of the first games implemented on BGA, if not the first. In my opinion, there is no longer any reason to retain this exception, as soon as a developer recognizes the need for necessary changes.
It should already be noted that automatism is of much less interest now that the end-round effects are solved by player in the order of the turn and no longer card by card as before. In addition, some end-of-turn effects require player intervention anyway, for example to choose an effect, or the type of energy received.
However, when there is only one end-of-turn effect, and no choice is required, the player’s intervention is not useful.
Fiercely in favour of strict application of the rules, I would add that it would be useful, in case of manual selection of cards with end-of-turn effects, to be able to differentiate the achievable effects from the inoperative effects by a color code. This in order to be able to choose more easily to activate inoperative effects (but which could become achievable during the end-of-turn of the player) because deemed undesirable at this time of the game.
Ouzhpennañ un dra bennak d'an danevell-mañ
- Niverenn taol all / Niverenn ar fiñv
- Ha renket eo bet ar gudenn gant an douchenn F5 ?
- Ha c'hoarvezet eo ar gudenn meur a wech ? Bewech ? Cheñch-dicheñch ?
- If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
