#66732: "Using VPs as a tie breaker is not useful"
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Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Gwiriit mar-plij ma n'eus ket dija un danevell evit an hevelep dodenn
M'oc'h a-du, VOTIT evit an danevell-mañ. An danevelloù gant ar muiañ a vouezhioù a vo studiet DA GENTAÑ !
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Deskrivadur dre ar munud
• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit ar gemennadenn fazi a zo war ho skramm, ma zo unan.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Displegit deomp, mar-plij, ar pezh ho poa c'hoant d'ober, ar pezh ho peus graet hag ar pezh a zo c'hoarvezet 'benn ar fin
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. M'ho peus ul lennad skramm eus ar gudenn (ho pezit soñj d'eus se !), gellout a rit implij Imgur.com evit e bellgargañ hag eilañ/pegañ al liamm amañ.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Ha posupl eo gwelet torridigezh ar reolenn e replay ar bartienn ? Ma 'z eo ya, da be niverenn taol ?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Peseurt taol ho peus c'hoant c'hoari ?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Petra emaoc'h o klask ober evit delankañ an ober c'hoari-mañ ?
• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Da be bazenn ar bartienn eo en em gavet ar gudenn (petra oa testenn kemenn ar c'hoari) ?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Mar-plij, diskrivit kudenn an diskwel. M'ho peus ul lennad skramm eus ar gudenn (ho pezit soñj d'eus se !), gellout a rit implij Imgur.com evit e bellgargañ hag eilañ/pegañ al liamm amañ.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. M'ho peus ul lennad skramm eus ar gudenn (ho pezit soñj d'eus se !), gellout a rit implij Imgur.com evit e bellgargañ hag eilañ/pegañ al liamm amañ.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Mozilla v5
Roll-istor an danevelloù bog
This can make a huge difference in gameplay. At present, players who care about ELO are incentivized to "play to not finish last" whereas in a home game of Catan, they would "play to win". For example, I was just in a three-player game where halfway through, I had 5 points while my opponents had 6 and 8 points. The player in second place decided to target me with the robber everry time (to ensure I didn't get second place) which allowed the other player to cruise to an easy win.
Please, BGA, introduce an option (and make it the default) to play Catan as a win-or-lose game.
The current system is the lesser of two evils, and frankly it gives me something to play for when I get a crippled start and know I can't win. I've been quite pleased with my 2nd places where I've come back from nothing. If people know they are worse off for coming last they will play better to avoid it and that makes it a better game all round.
Also if someone keeps robbing you maybe you annoyed them with your trades/robber placement/cutting them off etc.
Your scheme would make Catan run counter to pretty much every other game I've played on BGA. On BGA, they're not win or lose games, they're ranked 1/2/3/4, regardless of game rules.
@MrBeardy
I always play hard for second place, or even to go from 4th to 3rd at the end, not because I really care about ELO, I just care about my finish position.
Either way, my point was that using VPs, which determine victory, as a tie-breaker is pretty useless, because it changes nothing. Better just to say same VPS, you're tied, no tie breaker. Other games on BGA use that approach.
Your point here is completely opaque. I can see you're South Korean, so English is presumably a second language for you.
You wrote, "No ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?"
Who, on this thread, spoke about eliminating, introducing, or keeping (or not, to any of those three) ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?
I'll try to make the point of the thread more simple for you.
The game result is decided by "who has the most VPs?"
The tiebreaker for players who share the same number of VPs is: "who has the most VPs?"
That's not me asking the same question twice, that's the game asking the same question twice.
My point, when raising the bug, was that using the same criterion to decide postion initially as you do to break ties thereafter is not useful. The result will never change if you use that approach. Use another criterion to break ties, or abandon the tiebreak altogether.
My point was clear. Your point is not. I don't think you're supporting the bug, and I don't think you're against it.
What are you saying? Whatever that is, it's not relevant to the bug.
Full disclosure: I have seen several options in tournaments, but I do not really care so I will abstain from repeating them here.
Ouzhpennañ un dra bennak d'an danevell-mañ
- Niverenn taol all / Niverenn ar fiñv
- Ha renket eo bet ar gudenn gant an douchenn F5 ?
- Ha c'hoarvezet eo ar gudenn meur a wech ? Bewech ? Cheñch-dicheñch ?
- M'ho peus ul lennad skramm eus ar gudenn (ho pezit soñj d'eus se !), gellout a rit implij Imgur.com evit e bellgargañ hag eilañ/pegañ al liamm amañ.