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#24817: "Wild science (Babylon B) displays incorrect symbol name (but points are correct) - 2nd edition"
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This player completed 3 sets of science for 48 points using Babylon B. However the game text updates say that the wrong science symbol is provided. Screenshot here: imgur.com/gallery/jRv0oXd
The player has 3 tablets, 2 gear, 3 compass, and one wild symbol. The wild symbol should be a Mechanism (gear) so that he has 9+9+9+21 = 48 points. This is what he actually received ingame and is the max. Instead, the display says that he received Writing (tablet) which would only be 16 + 4 + 9 + 14 = 43 points. Again, the listed points he received was 48, this is a display bug only.• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
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14. Gwe 2020 21:41 • Zedseayou • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
everything is above
21. Gwe 2020 2:00 • KongKing123 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Unsurprisingly, the same issue exists with the Scientists Guild. For example: boardgamearena.com/archive/replay/200916-0917/?table=113276204&player=84026812&comments=85991746;&goto=105#
The log says the player got a Writing symbol, but she actually got a Mechanism, which is the best symbol: 4 (2 Writing) + 4 (1 + 1 Mechanism) + 9 (3 Geometry) + 14 (2 sets) = 31 points
The log says the player got a Writing symbol, but she actually got a Mechanism, which is the best symbol: 4 (2 Writing) + 4 (1 + 1 Mechanism) + 9 (3 Geometry) + 14 (2 sets) = 31 points
22. Gwe 2020 20:04 • DireAvenger20 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Got the same issue with Scientist Guild. boardgamearena.com/1/sevenwonders?table=112572791
The log said I got a Mechanism even though I actually got a Writing, which was the best symbol as it completed another set.
The log said I got a Mechanism even though I actually got a Writing, which was the best symbol as it completed another set.
21. Her 2020 2:32 • Coyotek4 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Agree with the above.
3. Du 2020 14:31 • Drraug • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Agree with the above. The Science symbols are incorrectly referred to in the right pane, for example, the game will call the gear symbol "Writing" instead of "Mechanism". All calculations are done correctly as per the rules. Only the written logs from the game should be corrected.
12. Du 2020 22:26 • acrabwibwii • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
I've seen it too , in the game ---- sevenwonders?table=123578480 --- new version --- and it happens for both science guild and the wonder (played by two different players).
It seems like calculations are good, but description of the chosen symbol is wrong : mechanism instead of writing in both case.
It seems like calculations are good, but description of the chosen symbol is wrong : mechanism instead of writing in both case.
13. Du 2020 20:46 • Keerikkadan91 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
The actual issue is that the names for the Writing (tablet) and the Mechanism (gear) types have been interchanged. It calculates the categories correctly, but the names for these two seem to have been switched by mistake.
13. Du 2020 20:48 • Keerikkadan91 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
26. Du 2020 21:07 • Crazy_Canuck • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Example:
Table ID: 127078962
imgur.com/a/afD74I3
I had 4 "cog" symbols (aka engineering), translated as "Mechanism" per translation notes. My wonder gave me one more. The scoring worked properly (i.e. gave another cog), but the chat display stated that I received an "extra symbol: Writing".
In the Translations page (English - English):
Compass - Geometry
Cog - Mechanism
Tablet - Writing
(boardgamearena.com/translation?module_id=1131&source_locale=en_US&dest_locale=en_US&page=3)
Table ID: 127078962
imgur.com/a/afD74I3
I had 4 "cog" symbols (aka engineering), translated as "Mechanism" per translation notes. My wonder gave me one more. The scoring worked properly (i.e. gave another cog), but the chat display stated that I received an "extra symbol: Writing".
In the Translations page (English - English):
Compass - Geometry
Cog - Mechanism
Tablet - Writing
(boardgamearena.com/translation?module_id=1131&source_locale=en_US&dest_locale=en_US&page=3)
28. Du 2020 17:34 • mkfort • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Can confirm imgur.com/a/NLN4KIb
21. Ker 2020 7:12 • tillanz • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Had the same issue. Log stated 'Mechanism' but should have said 'Writing'. Scoring was correct.
imgur.com/a/5I2WBVU
imgur.com/a/5I2WBVU
1. Gen 2021 4:52 • Salspach • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Same issue in game boardgamearena.com/8/sevenwonders?table=135671670
8. Cʼhw 2021 20:13 • KongKing123 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Another example with both the Guild and Wonder: boardgamearena.com/7/sevenwonders?table=146321714
The log says I got 2 Mechanism symbols, but they were actually Writing: i.postimg.cc/Pf1p3292/7-Wonders-146321714-Science-calculation.png
The log says I got 2 Mechanism symbols, but they were actually Writing: i.postimg.cc/Pf1p3292/7-Wonders-146321714-Science-calculation.png
21. Meu 2021 8:50 • JoergFr • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Fully aggree, could reproduce this bug in another game: boardgamearena.com/7/sevenwonders?table=157412136
Log says wildcard provides a Mechanism, but points are calculated by using an additional Writing, which is totally correct.
The log entry is wrong.
Log says wildcard provides a Mechanism, but points are calculated by using an additional Writing, which is totally correct.
The log entry is wrong.
7. Mae 2021 20:25 • markcorrigan • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
boardgamearena.com/6/sevenwonders?table=170531474
With the guild, says I received extra mechanism but it calculated based on extra writing. Functionally, points-wise, it works the way it should, just displays the wrong symbol.
With the guild, says I received extra mechanism but it calculated based on extra writing. Functionally, points-wise, it works the way it should, just displays the wrong symbol.
11. Mae 2021 12:24 • Peter Milley • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Yep same thing in boardgamearena.com/9/sevenwonders?table=170493789. I had three compasses, three gears, one tablet, and Scientists Guild. Judging from the final point scores, the game correctly gave me a tablet for Scientists Guild (36 points) but the game log said I gained "Mechanism" (an extra gear would have only given me 33 points).
21. Mae 2021 13:27 • RegisBull • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Just wanted to add a +1 to this bug report, as it seems to be the most popular one (of the handful reporting more or less the same issue), and I'd like it to have more visibility (and eventually have the bug fixed).
To reiterate the issue :
- it happens with any Wild Science Symbol (Babylon or Guild),
- the symbol announced at the end is wrong,
- the computation is correct (as far as I could see).
To reiterate the issue :
- it happens with any Wild Science Symbol (Babylon or Guild),
- the symbol announced at the end is wrong,
- the computation is correct (as far as I could see).
24. Mae 2021 18:28 • Argus Panoptes • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Also visible in game boardgamearena.com/9/sevenwonders?table=174738948
The points for two players indicate that the extra scientific symbol for the Babylon wonder and Scientists Guild were correctly appiled as the tablet, but the log says Mechanism.
The points for two players indicate that the extra scientific symbol for the Babylon wonder and Scientists Guild were correctly appiled as the tablet, but the log says Mechanism.
23. Mezh 2021 21:49 • delnai • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Just want to +1 this. Not a big deal, but I've seen it now in several games, most recently at Table #180417063 (screenshot of final game situation: imgur.com/a/cUZzIzx). Can't tell from my experience exactly how to reproduce it.
8. Eos 2021 1:18 • frogstar_A • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Happened to me on table 192700953 as well. Symbol announced as "Writing" but in fact "Mechanism" was [correctly] used in the points.
12. Eos 2021 10:37 • BeriAlpha • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Same issue, table 190501342.
3. Du 2021 16:48 • Willlo • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
I just completed a game (Table #213075002) with 1 writing tablet, 2 cogs, and 4 sextants. The Science Guild gave me a Mechanism (cog) for 5 additional points.
The math is correct (2 cogs=4pts, 3cogs = 9pts, for a 5 point difference) and the stated symbol is correct (unlike others above), but the prioritization is wrong. While you can only get 4 symbols on cards alone, the guild can provide a fifth symbol (from what I can tell researching online), and the Guild should have become a navigational sextant for a 9 point difference (4 sextants = 16pts, 5 sextants = 25pts).
Sadly, in this case it determined the winner, but at least it was with some good friends so we just had a laugh about it! But unfortunate that the logic error is substantial enough to change the outcome of the game.
The math is correct (2 cogs=4pts, 3cogs = 9pts, for a 5 point difference) and the stated symbol is correct (unlike others above), but the prioritization is wrong. While you can only get 4 symbols on cards alone, the guild can provide a fifth symbol (from what I can tell researching online), and the Guild should have become a navigational sextant for a 9 point difference (4 sextants = 16pts, 5 sextants = 25pts).
Sadly, in this case it determined the winner, but at least it was with some good friends so we just had a laugh about it! But unfortunate that the logic error is substantial enough to change the outcome of the game.
9. Du 2021 9:21 • nopeasaurus • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
I tried to check this with friends over a couple games and can confirm that the math was right, but the log was wrong.
Also it's harder to look back and double check the game score because of this other bug where the score breakdown isn't visible in "final situation": boardgamearena.com/bug?id=51622
Also it's harder to look back and double check the game score because of this other bug where the score breakdown isn't visible in "final situation": boardgamearena.com/bug?id=51622
27. Du 2021 12:33 • Fallafel • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
same issues here. see screenshot
imgur.com/dAKOdDe
imgur.com/dAKOdDe
8. Gen 2022 15:40 • Qberon • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
I had the same bug.
I had 4 of the same science symbols (tablet) + the wonder stage of Babylon which gives me one of the three science symbols.
At the end of the game it gave me a gear. I was not happy with this.
Yet if you count the points, they were incorrect for an added gear but accurate for an added tablet.
So. It's a bug but, at leat in this case, points were correct nonetheless.
I had 4 of the same science symbols (tablet) + the wonder stage of Babylon which gives me one of the three science symbols.
At the end of the game it gave me a gear. I was not happy with this.
Yet if you count the points, they were incorrect for an added gear but accurate for an added tablet.
So. It's a bug but, at leat in this case, points were correct nonetheless.
8. Cʼhw 2022 23:05 • plash1 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
#240517601
неправильно посчитали науку. по итогам получилось у игрока malthor01 55 очков, а у игрока novichek1 26 очков. хотя должно быть 57 и 22 соответственно.
в первом случае: 3x3x4+7+7+7=57
во втором: 2x2x2+7+7=22
imgur.com/jGVfswZ
imgur.com/uEsHfVS
неправильно посчитали науку. по итогам получилось у игрока malthor01 55 очков, а у игрока novichek1 26 очков. хотя должно быть 57 и 22 соответственно.
в первом случае: 3x3x4+7+7+7=57
во втором: 2x2x2+7+7=22
imgur.com/jGVfswZ
imgur.com/uEsHfVS
8. Cʼhw 2022 23:21 • plash1 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
imgur.com/4JexddN
снова та же проблема 3x3x4+7+7+7=57, а в итоге пишет 55
снова та же проблема 3x3x4+7+7+7=57, а в итоге пишет 55
18. Cʼhw 2022 22:04 • hyramgraff • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Yet another instance where what is displayed in the logs is incorrect, it should say that I got a tablet.
boardgamearena.com/3/sevenwonders?table=241744538
boardgamearena.com/3/sevenwonders?table=241744538
10. Gwe 2022 20:07 • 00iCon • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
I ran into the same issue, even though it has worked correctly before
Replay 7 Wonders #298950151
Replay 7 Wonders #298950151
11. Du 2022 12:34 • Chong Zi Hou • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Same issue here. 7 Wonders Table #316643459
The point was calculated correctly (Wild symbol is Mechanism), so:
16 (4 Writing) + 4 (1 Mechanism + 1 Wild) + 4 (2 Geometry) + 7 + 7 (2 sets) = 38 points
However, the log displayed that the Wild (Extra scientific symbol) as Writing.
Kindly fix this bug as soon as possible. Thanks.
The point was calculated correctly (Wild symbol is Mechanism), so:
16 (4 Writing) + 4 (1 Mechanism + 1 Wild) + 4 (2 Geometry) + 7 + 7 (2 sets) = 38 points
However, the log displayed that the Wild (Extra scientific symbol) as Writing.
Kindly fix this bug as soon as possible. Thanks.
11. Mae 2023 14:55 • surturiel • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
i want to add:
the problem appears EVERY TIME babylon B and/or science guild is used, so it is not hard to recreate at all.
it definitely only affects the written display, the calculations are always correct.
it seems like the text will always prompt the WORST option but correctly use the best for calculation.
it seems like there is no attempt at all to fix this, since the status the devs could not understand the error is absurd :(
the problem appears EVERY TIME babylon B and/or science guild is used, so it is not hard to recreate at all.
it definitely only affects the written display, the calculations are always correct.
it seems like the text will always prompt the WORST option but correctly use the best for calculation.
it seems like there is no attempt at all to fix this, since the status the devs could not understand the error is absurd :(
19. Gou 2023 23:20 • Mydalon • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
The error also exists in the German translation (I had both the wonder and the Science guild and the error happend both times)
Since the developers don't seem to have time to fix the bug - is it somehow possible to help there? I am quite sure this is something minor, because the calculation is correct and so the correct symbol is known... I would be happy to fix this bug.
Since the developers don't seem to have time to fix the bug - is it somehow possible to help there? I am quite sure this is something minor, because the calculation is correct and so the correct symbol is known... I would be happy to fix this bug.
18. Cʼhw 2024 10:39 • KongKing123 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Bump to avoid automatic closure.
28. Eos 2024 16:39 • KongKing123 • N'eo ket bet eiladet c'hoazh ar bog gant an diorroerien:
Bump to avoid automatic closure.
25. Du 2024 17:49 • joezg • Kadarnaet eo bet ar bog gant an diorroerien:
This display issue will be fixed in near future.
26. Meu 2025 9:40 • eessook • Kadarnaet eo bet ar bog gant an diorroerien:
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