#132280: ""First play random" takes presidence over all other rules"
Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Petra a zo c'hoarvezet ? Trugarez evit dibab amañ dindan
Gwiriit mar-plij ma n'eus ket dija un danevell evit an hevelep dodenn
M'oc'h a-du, VOTIT evit an danevell-mañ. An danevelloù gant ar muiañ a vouezhioù a vo studiet DA GENTAÑ !
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Deskrivadur dre ar munud
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit ar gemennadenn fazi a zo war ho skramm, ma zo unan.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Displegit deomp, mar-plij, ar pezh ho poa c'hoant d'ober, ar pezh ho peus graet hag ar pezh a zo c'hoarvezet 'benn ar fin
Move 85
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Petra oa diskouezet war ar skramm pa 'z oc'h chomet stanket (Skramm goullo ? Ul lodenn eus etrefas ar c'hoari ? Kemennadenn fazi ?)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Pesseurt reolenn n'eo ket doujet gant azasadenn ar c'hoari-mañ ?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Ha posupl eo gwelet torridigezh ar reolenn e replay ar bartienn ? Ma 'z eo ya, da be niverenn taol ?
Move 85
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Peseurt taol ho peus c'hoant c'hoari ?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Petra emaoc'h o klask ober evit delankañ an ober c'hoari-mañ ?
Move 85
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• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Da be bazenn ar bartienn eo en em gavet ar gudenn (petra oa testenn kemenn ar c'hoari) ?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
Move 85
• Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Mar-plij, diskrivit kudenn an diskwel. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Mar-plij, eilit/pegit an destenn e Saozneg ha n'eo ket en ho yezh. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Ha dibres eo an destenn-mañ er sistem treiñ? Ma ya, daoust ha troet eo bet ouzhpenn 24 eur 'zo ?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
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• Displegit ho kinnig mar-plij, e berrgomzoù met en un doare resis, evit ma vefe an aesañ posupl kompren mat ar pezh ho peus c'hoant lâret.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Peseurt merdeer eo hoc'h hini ?
Google Chrome v127
Roll-istor an danevelloù bog
We have always played and interpreted First Play Random in the sense that really the very first thing that you do in your turn, must be a random hand card play.
So there is no way to escape this randomness by using any of the special Rule cards that you mention.
I have been searching the Looney Labs faq for a definitive answer on the correct interpretation either way, but I can’t seem to find it.
But either way, even if they would confirm you are right, I am afraid it would be a very invasive fix that would take a lot of work, and with many card interactions possibly leading to other new bugs.
All in all, it just seems too much work and risk, specially since the game was released on BGA over 3 years ago already.
Thanks for the report though, and I hope you keep playing and enjoying Fluxx!
At the same time, the description still says "the first card you play", so maybe @Oxtrosk's interpretation is correct. Furthermore, it could be argued that the "swap plays for draws" card technically meets the condition that "the current rule cards allow you to play only one card", allowing the "first play random" card to be skipped
(I know this discussion is pointless since @wolmot has made the final decision. I just felt like looking into it anyway)
Ouzhpennañ un dra bennak d'an danevell-mañ
- Niverenn taol all / Niverenn ar fiñv
- Ha renket eo bet ar gudenn gant an douchenn F5 ?
- Ha c'hoarvezet eo ar gudenn meur a wech ? Bewech ? Cheñch-dicheñch ?
- If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
